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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;Oh, if only government went in for an open source make-over&#8230;&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Yule Heibel</title>
		<link>http://www.blaserco.com/blogs/2008/04/oh-if-only-government-went-in-for-an-open-source-make-over/#comment-18526</link>
		<author>Yule Heibel</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thank-you for using my comment as a jumping off point to a thought-provoking blog entry here, Britt!  (And I hope I didn't sound as 'despairing' as all that -- my despair, such as it is, stems as often as not from the fossilized pace of local governance here.  Other than that, I'm a pretty optimistic, happy-go-lucky person, which is probably why I'm ready to stumble into pre-existing conversations!  ...Like, duh Yule: one quick google search could have told me that you, Britt, have been talking about open source government for ...well, for a while.)

But on to your post: I really like your descriptive term, "collaboration mall."  As a city person (and yeah, Victoria is a smaller city, but it's pretty dense and urban and walkable), I'm of course loathe to admit that the suburbs might be places that produce appropriate symbols ("mall") for civitas / civic life.  But I can remind myself that in the 1920s Walter Benjamin wrote about 19th century Parisian arcades as localities of social meaning (and manufacture of meaning) -- and what were the arcades but urban forerunners of suburban malls?  

I'd say that the urban street is still more democratic/ porous/ open, if only because it really is public space, vs. private or semi-private.  But the mall can bring together all sorts of different (including "regular") people, and it's a great term (compared to "street") because it acknowledges the reality of markets, fees for services, settings for enterprise, and consumer platforms.  

I'm at the very beginning of trying to create a community aggregator type service here, and your suggestion of a "collaboration mall" is intriguing.  Just as with Doc's entry on infrastructure, I find it helps my thinking when one (physical) thing typically seen in one context is transposed into another (more abstract) context.  Till now, I was thinking for example of "public space" (physical) and how that manifests online (abstract).  But narrowing that space to a mall brings things into better focus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank-you for using my comment as a jumping off point to a thought-provoking blog entry here, Britt!  (And I hope I didn&#8217;t sound as &#8216;despairing&#8217; as all that &#8212; my despair, such as it is, stems as often as not from the fossilized pace of local governance here.  Other than that, I&#8217;m a pretty optimistic, happy-go-lucky person, which is probably why I&#8217;m ready to stumble into pre-existing conversations!  &#8230;Like, duh Yule: one quick google search could have told me that you, Britt, have been talking about open source government for &#8230;well, for a while.)</p>
<p>But on to your post: I really like your descriptive term, &#8220;collaboration mall.&#8221;  As a city person (and yeah, Victoria is a smaller city, but it&#8217;s pretty dense and urban and walkable), I&#8217;m of course loathe to admit that the suburbs might be places that produce appropriate symbols (&#8221;mall&#8221;) for civitas / civic life.  But I can remind myself that in the 1920s Walter Benjamin wrote about 19th century Parisian arcades as localities of social meaning (and manufacture of meaning) &#8212; and what were the arcades but urban forerunners of suburban malls?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d say that the urban street is still more democratic/ porous/ open, if only because it really is public space, vs. private or semi-private.  But the mall can bring together all sorts of different (including &#8220;regular&#8221;) people, and it&#8217;s a great term (compared to &#8220;street&#8221;) because it acknowledges the reality of markets, fees for services, settings for enterprise, and consumer platforms.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m at the very beginning of trying to create a community aggregator type service here, and your suggestion of a &#8220;collaboration mall&#8221; is intriguing.  Just as with Doc&#8217;s entry on infrastructure, I find it helps my thinking when one (physical) thing typically seen in one context is transposed into another (more abstract) context.  Till now, I was thinking for example of &#8220;public space&#8221; (physical) and how that manifests online (abstract).  But narrowing that space to a mall brings things into better focus.</p>
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